WHY are people voting for McCain?

plain · 10-02-2008, 03:32 AM

Yeah, I think SNT was agreeing with you. Of course, I still believed in Santa Claus until last Tuesday. That was when the Tooth Fairy left me a note explaining that Santa is a fraud.

gadgetlady · 10-02-2008, 03:51 AM

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Yeah, I think SNT was agreeing with you.

Yeah, I didn't get that sense when I read it the first time around, but upon review it struck me that I could have been way off base. Again, if I did misread it, I apologize. I left the details of the Oregon "assisted suicide vs. treatment" issue up, though, because I think people need to be aware of it.

babygrl1234 · 10-02-2008, 04:17 AM

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Yeah, I think SNT was agreeing with you. Of course, I still believed in Santa Claus until last Tuesday. That was when the Tooth Fairy left me a note explaining that Santa is a fraud.

Santa is not real?!?!?!?!

At least we still have the tooth fairy.

rstroud100 · 10-02-2008, 06:15 AM

My gut tells me that I could never vote for Obama. I don't feel that he can be trusted. I am a conservative and support McCain.

**Jack** · 10-02-2008, 08:17 AM

The Senate just proved Santa is alive and well....

green · 10-02-2008, 09:09 AM

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The inevitable result of bureaucratized medicine, is health care decisions will be made by policy makers; policy will be enforced by glorified administrative staff; payment will be made based on CPT, ICD and RSV codes carefully preened to exclude whatever the policy d'jour may be based on administrative fiat; glorious taxation for the many to pay for those who can't or don't or won't earn their own coverage; and the provider will be left with the chasm between earnest concern and humanistic care for their patients and covering their rent, insurance, school loans, and a fleet of front office paperwork specialists who job it is to try to collect 50 cents per each service-provided dollar after wading though the exclusions, deductions, co-pays, non-covered and administratively determined 'not medically necessary' services.

It will be CEOs and administrative goons sucking up the 'money saved' while the provider and the now-insured patient, who will be left again facing the uncovered cracks of ignored and denied patient need.

Just like now, except there will be more paperwork, more overhead, more expense to pay all those bureaucratic functionaries, and less provision of service to those needing it.

My brother is a doctor who has worked under both the Canadian and American health systems. He said that when he used to work up here in Canada he simply ordered such medical tests and procedures as he felt his patient required; south of the border he was required to consult with the financial bottom line before making medical decisions. His medical freedom was actually greater up here in universal medicine Canada.
Don't forget, we don't have to feed the businessmen and the shareholders. Canadians pay approximately $3,000 per person per year less in health care costs than do Americans and everyone up here is covered. Of course our government is largely run by beaurocrats, not incompetant politicians.

SickNTired · 10-02-2008, 10:04 AM

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Yeah, I think SNT was agreeing with you. Of course, I still believed in Santa Claus until last Tuesday. That was when the Tooth Fairy left me a note explaining that Santa is a fraud.

Scares me that Plain figured me out! Yes I meant that offering assisted suicide was ridiculous!!! I almost went into how the insurance provided at my very first job in the late 80's that would pay for abortions but not birth control pills. While I don't want the govt telling me what to do with my body, that is stupid!!!

Joy1 · 10-02-2008, 10:13 AM

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IF the economy is the #1 issue in America why would you vote for McCain? He stated not long ago (Sept 15,2008) that the fundamentals of our economy is good

. Seriously? Then just today or yesterday, he said the problem with the economy is corporate greed and would have a commission (much like the like 9/11 commission) study it. WTF?! So basically he is saying he doesn't want to deal with the economy! AND lets not forget his TOP economic advisor stated just a few months ago in JUNE/JULY of THIS year that there was nothing wrong with our economy and that the American people were a bunch of "whiners". Does this sound like a person who is for the people? It is just infuriating to me that this race has become "tight"! I mean it's pretty bad when Karl Rove says the McCain campaign is lying and running a bad campaign!! UGH I will never understand what people see in McCain!

WHY would people vote for McCain?............Because they have some sense, that is THAT!
Joy

PS: What does this have to do w/ WLS anyway?

green · 10-02-2008, 11:08 AM

It would be more logical to pay for birth control meds than for abortions.

Gloucester · 10-02-2008, 12:37 PM

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PS: What does this have to do w/ WLS anyway?

Welcome, Joy, to LBT's Rants and Raves section.

ReadySteadyGo · 10-02-2008, 12:54 PM

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Sarah Palin no more represents my views as a woman than does Lassie.

Ditto

I acutally understand why people are voting for McCain. I liked him much better a few years ago, but not anymore. But as far as Conservatives go he isn't so bad (No offense Republicans)

I don't want anyone telling me what to do with my body. I am pro-choice but no pro-abortion. There is very little chance that abortion would ever be a question for me as I will not be getting pregnant, but I won't take someone else's choice away.

But I would not understand an insurance company not paying for birth control but paying for abortion...then I don't understand why almost ALL insurance companies pay for viagra and not for my woman's visits. The system is all messed up.

Obviously, my vote will be going to Obama. I am for the same issues he claims to be for.

Joy1 · 10-02-2008, 12:55 PM

Well.....Guess I'm good for a rant anytime!...Makes me actually miss teaching High School delinquents!...Besides I'm pissed at husband today!
:) Joy

SickNTired · 10-02-2008, 04:52 PM

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It would be more logical to pay for birth control meds than for abortions.

Am I being unclear in this thread? That is my exact point! Let's be proactive, not reactionary!

Ditto - RSG! I think McCain is a wee bit more "leftist" of the Republicans and thought if he'd chosen a different VP, I would've had to think before I voted. But I will not, n-o-t vote for Mrs. "I'll get back to ya" Palin. The fact that McCain might've thought that all women will just vote for any ol woman is nutters!

gadgetlady · 10-02-2008, 05:29 PM

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I am pro-choice but no pro-abortion.

That's really a play on words.

We call someone who is in favor of people having the choice to own guns, pro-gun. Not pro-choice.

We call someone who is in favor of people having the choice of medical suicide, pro-euthanasia. Not pro-choice.

We call someone who is in favor of companies having the choice to drill for oil, pro-drilling. Not pro-choice.

We call someone who is in favor of companies having the choice to cut down trees, pro-logging. Not pro-choice.

Virtually everything we do is a choice, so saying you're "pro-choice" means nothing. We're all "pro-choice" -- we want to be able to choose what we eat, what we wear, where we live, what we buy, etc. The big question is what choice are we saying we're in favor of?

If you are in favor of abortion being legal, you are pro-abortion. Period.

SickNTired · 10-02-2008, 05:49 PM

I certainly cannot and will not speak for RSG but I know that I believe the choice should be available for women. HOWEVER, I do not believe it should be used as a birth control method when we have too many other options available.

I would prefer women not have to choose abortion. However, I do not want the 40%+ of Senators that are over 65 to decide this very personal decision for me or any other woman when they probably have the money and connections to get one for any female relative of theirs if it's illegal.

The thing that bothers me so about extremist pro-lifers is that under no circumstance should you have an abortion but 1) we give them zero support after the baby has been born; 2) they're OK killing people with bombs; 3) they think that being born into extreme poverty or abuse is better than being aborted and I think that's worse. (And no, I am not calling any LBT'er "extremist")