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Old 04-19-2006, 06:23 AM   #1
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How bad should I be hurting?

I really need to know if this is normal or I need to go to the Emergency Room. When I got out of surgery (Mexico w/ Dr. Ortiz), I felt great and was up walking. I'm sure that had alot to do with the meds in me, but the next two days I also spent a few hours shopping etc. Now I'm 6 days out and feel worse than ever. The port side is so sore that I can hardly stand to touch it and it feels like there is something stuck in my ribs when I take a deep breath. In fact, it's hard to take a deep breath most of the time. I can also hardly walk upright. I feel like I have to bend over.
I don't know if this had anything to do with it or not, but yesterday I accidently swallowed a piece of gum. I didn't even think about it I'm so used to doing it. I threw the pack out so no more chewing gum. Please tell me I didn't mess up my whole surgery.
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Old 04-19-2006, 06:37 AM   #2
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the best thing for you to do is ring your surgeon right away

i have heard of others swallowing gum and nothing has happened

please phone your surgeon just to be on the safe side
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Old 04-19-2006, 06:41 AM   #3
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Do you have a primary doctor? If so call them because no you should not be in that kind of pain. You should not have trouble breathing. Can you get fluids down OK?
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Old 04-19-2006, 08:29 AM   #4
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....these comments do not address the possibility of infection or other soft tissue complications, so by all means talk with your surgeon.

We should all be aware of the mechanical aspect of proper joint function in our spine and rib motion. As a patient, I too had sharp mid-back and rib cx that kept me from taking a deep breath, which worsened over a week or so post op.

As a chiropractor, I was aware of the cause of MY problem, which was a sprain/strain to the mid-thoracic spine between the shoulder blades where they place the device that lifted me into position with extended cervical spine that allowed easier placement of the various trachial tubes.

It is a common problem to have a partial dislocation of one or more ribs due to such a position. The effects of deep sedation produces a complete relaxation of the spinal musculature, which normally maintain a certain tonicity even during deep sleep. This means the only structural protection of the costovertebral joint and associated ligamental groups is put in a bind during that procedure.

During normal inspiration, the rib heads MUST move a certain way, and the opposite in expiration. The rib joint is composed of small facetal contacts on to vertebra, and MUST rotate and extend a certain amount, or there is limitation to chest wall expansion and deep breathing is compromised by the pain of dysfunctional joint mechanics. This is similar to a 'sprained ankle' in some aspects.

Add the effects of the musculature of the head, neck, shoulders, scapula, and regional spinal movement, along with demands of the muscles of respiration--it is not just the diaphragm that helps us breathe-- and you have a complex mechanism that requires precise timing of joint movement.

Symptoms of rib subluxation ('mechanical dislocation') typically include:
inability to take a deep breath IN--often patients are able to take slow breath about 50% of their normal, but rapid breathing or forced inhale beyond that limited amount is accompanyied by a sharp pain....many times feeling similar to an ice pick jabbed into the back an inch or to one side of the spinous process.

Commonly lateral bending is painful to the affected side. Forward bending is not usually so limited yet still painful. Backward bending is usually affected also.

Usually, at the begining of this problem the origin of pain is in the back. As time goes on, it can travel around under the arm. Eventually there can be pain at the costosternal junction as well.

If you have a rib displacement, there are a lot of intercostal muscles that will become spasmotic and hypertonic, and there can be a progressive and increasing amount of pain and loss of normal movement.

It is not usually recognized by PCPs who are not trained in spinal mechanics.

The longer you have a rib subluxation, the less likely it will resolve by itself. Chiropractors understand this and have an easy fix for the problem.

My experience is if the problem is only a few days old, usually ONE adjustment fixes it; if it is a week or two, it may take several adjustments. If it is a month or more, it may take 5 or 10 adjustments over a couple weeks to restore normal movement.

Again, this is mechanical disorder. See someone who understands this kind of problem.

And yes, I am a licensed Doctor of Chiropractic. Body mechanics is my field of expertise.
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The only difference I can see in what you have told me is that the pain is the front (side) instead of near the spinal area. It also hurts worse when I lay down. makes no sense to me.
I have no problems going to see my chiropractor, but right now I can't stand to be touched. It hurts too bad. I can't even imagine having an adjustment right now. Does it hurt to wait longer until the soreness from the port sight to subside a little?
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re: "Does it hurt to wait longer until the soreness from the port sight to subside a little?"

IF you have a rib subluxation, the good news is you won't die from it.

Pain is a subjective thing. There are some very soft techniques that can be employed in manipulation.

We can only have one #1 complaint at a time. When the #1 complaint is demoted, the #2 complaint is promoted...

Some people wait for months or years...then want a cure in one magic adjustment.

And it may NOT be a mechanical rib problem causing your pain. Physical exam would tell us more. So like all pain, it's really up to the individual with the problem to decide.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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